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« on: February 08, 2010, 03:11:03 PM »

What is the sparking pattern of  the hd200, one spark every other engine revolution or one spark every  engine revolution. need to know for, what
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 03:43:51 PM »

The HD is a 4 stroke so, it should spark every other revolution.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 11:22:20 PM »

The HD is a 4 stroke so, it should spark every other revolution.
Agreed, it should.  But I've heard of some 4T scoots that fire every revolution anyway.  I can't remember now why it was they did, but they did.  I suspect the HD isn't one, but what do I know?
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2010, 04:49:25 AM »

The HD is a 4 stroke so, it should spark every other revolution.
Agreed, it should.  But I've heard of some 4T scoots that fire every revolution anyway.  I can't remember now why it was they did, but they did.  I suspect the HD isn't one, but what do I know?

Yeah, I just read that over on the SymGang forum. Never heard that before. So, it's possible the HD could fire ever revolution.

Hope I didn't give anyone bad info.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2010, 08:31:54 AM »

Slowscootin/Firedrake says that it sparks twice per engine revolution.  You might want to ask him about installing a digital tachometer

See the bottom of the page:
http://www.jeffs-hotsauces.com/stereo.htm
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2010, 11:36:54 PM »

Slowscootin/Firedrake says that it sparks twice per engine revolution.  You might want to ask him about installing a digital tachometer

See the bottom of the page:
http://www.jeffs-hotsauces.com/stereo.htm

Sorry leo, but if you read into it a bit, I thought the HD200 motor was a 2 spark per revolution motor like most GY6s' but it isn't. I ordered the wrong one that only registers 1 spark per revolution instead and thought I'd have to return it and get the other one. I didn't... The HD125/200 motor is in fact a 1 spark per revolution motor.

There are advantages and disadvantages to this and I'll explain it below a bit.

1) Generally most gasoline motors and engines have only one ignition/spark per cycle. A four stroke motor, like the HD has 4 seperate phases (strokes) per cycle. The ignition or spark occurs on the ignition phase only in this design.

2) I'm an Auto Mechanic and I can tell you that over 90% of cars on the road today fire (spark) two times per cycle. Along with the normal ignition stroke, they also fire on the exhaust stroke. This is mainly done for one reason only and that is to try and burn off more fuel that wasn't used initially on the ignition cycle and to meet emissions standards.

3) Today's efficient motors/engines usually fire on both strokes and here's a quick example; Any GM 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.8 is a V-6 but only has 3 ignition coils. Each coil has 2 cylinders attached to it and each coil fires 2 cylinders at the same time. One fires on the igniton cycle and the other connection is on the exhaust cycle on another piston. More and more engines are switching to a single coil on each cylinder and also firing on both strokes.

4) Race/ performance engines don't need to fire on the second stroke as emissions aren't an issue. Without a doubt a ignition coil, like everything else, has a MTBF (Mean Time Before Failure) and if it's working double-time, well... you do the math.

5) The HD motor is a high performance motor for sure and it's made for longetivity. Since it is a 4 valve design, fuel efficiency is optimal and the need for a second spark on the exhaust cycle isn't necessary.

Sorry for ranting and raving but I'm just glad to get my computer back after I replaced the motherboard because it's "MTBF" decided to kick in  Angry

In so few of words Raphael--- The HD 125/200 motor sparks one time per cycle and not revolution. There are 4 strokes (revolutions) per cycle; Intake, Compression, Ignition and Exhaust. If you want to get an EMN tach then you'll need  the PT15E2 model.

Here's the link to the one you (we) need and hope this helps--- http://enmco.thomasnet.com/item/enm-counting-instruments-tach-hour-meters/tach-hour-meters-pt15-tachometer/pt15e2-2?&seo=110

PS I bought mine from eBay cheaper so shop around.

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 04:58:22 AM »

Thanks Slowscootin/Firedrake
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2010, 10:41:17 AM »

Oops   Embarrassed

Thanks for posting.  I didn't get all the way through reading it and I should have!
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 01:39:08 AM »

Slowscootin/Firedrake says that it sparks twice per engine revolution.  You might want to ask him about installing a digital tachometer

See the bottom of the page:
http://www.jeffs-hotsauces.com/stereo.htm

I ordered the wrong one that only registers 1 spark per revolution instead and thought I'd have to return it and get the other one. I didn't... The HD125/200 motor is in fact a 1 spark per revolution motor.
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In so few of words Raphael--- The HD 125/200 motor sparks one time per cycle and not revolution. There are 4 strokes (revolutions) per cycle; Intake, Compression, Ignition and Exhaust. If you want to get an EMN tach then you'll need  the PT15E2 model.

Here's the link to the one you (we) need and hope this helps--- http://enmco.thomasnet.com/item/enm-counting-instruments-tach-hour-meters/tach-hour-meters-pt15-tachometer/pt15e2-2?&seo=110

PS I bought mine from eBay cheaper so shop around.
Firedrake - you are confusing revolutions with strokes.  Smiley You are correct when you said at the top of your post "The HD125/200 motor is in fact a 1 spark per revolution motor." At the bottom you say "The HD 125/200 motor sparks one time per cycle and not revolution. There are 4 strokes (revolutions) per cycle; Intake, Compression, Ignition and Exhaust. " This is wrong - Here you confuse strokes with revolutions. A 4 stroke engine like the HD200 runs 2 revolutions( crank goes thro 360 degrees) to complete the four strokes,eg. one revolution for the compression and ignition strokes + one revolution for exhaust and Intake strokes. The CDI is a dumb electronic module, every-time the magnet on the engine goes past the stator CDI pick-up coil, it fires. That happens just before TDC on compression stroke and on the next revolution just before TDC on the exhaust stroke. A stroke(engine goes thro 180 degrees)  and a revolution (engine goes thro 360 degrees) is different. Smiley
This explains why your "wrong" tacho was indeed the right one.
If Raphael goes with the same one you got he'll be sweet.
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