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krivo
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« on: October 24, 2009, 10:11:00 AM »

Hi all,

Goodness these new bikes look awesome. I've wanted to buy a new Super Cub ever since driving one a few years ago in Vietnam. I'm super happy that the Symba's now being sold in the USA.

Just a quick question about your thoughts on future Symba production. Would you suspect that Sym will still be selling the Symba (in roughly the same, classic design) four years from now?

I just started grad school and can't justify picking up one of the new Symbas -- don't have the money lying around yet and sadly wouldn't get enough use out of it.

Let me know what y'all think, and to those of you with a 2010 Symba, enjoy it and let us know how it rides.

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2009, 02:42:54 PM »


Just a quick question about your thoughts on future Symba production. Would you suspect that Sym will still be selling the Symba (in roughly the same, classic design) four years from now?


The strength of sales will tell the story four years from now.  I've heard some chatter that dealers can't keep the Symba in stock, but I haven't really read or heard any hard data to back that up.  Like any manufacturer, SYM will keep in production products that sell and drop those that don't. 

I wouldn't worry too much though, four years from now, there'll probably be a fair amount of low-mileage, barely used Symbas for sale out there.  I've found used is the only way to go, whether it be cars, motorcycles or scooters.  You just need to find a well-cared for one is all...
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2009, 04:06:31 PM »

krivo,
I agree with scoobynut. You will be able to find a nice used Symba in four years.   
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2009, 08:26:05 PM »

Good calls. I'll definitely have something to look forward to in a few years then.

I've heard that Sym's been making the engines for Honda's Super Cub for the last number of years. Does anyone have any more info on the relationship between Honda and Sym?

The Symba's manufactured entirely by Sym, right? But, are they using the designs from Honda to build it?

If anyone could point me to some more resources on the subject, that'd be awesome.

Thanks!
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 09:29:23 AM »

Krivo,
Google SYM Symba and you will get information overload. It's an instant classic.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 10:52:41 AM »

SYM is known as "Sanyang Industry Co., Ltd." in Taiwan, and it started making Honda motorcycles for the Taiwan domestic market in 1962.  In '67 they started assembling Honda cars as well.  Sometime around 2002 Honda and San Yang decided to go their separate ways.  The scooters being sold by SYM today (Fiddle-II, HD-125/200, CitiCom, etc...) are 100% SYM designs - none of them originated at Honda.  However, the Symba and Classic 150 are evolutions of classic Honda bikes that SYM had been making in Taiwan for decades - the Symba, of course, is Taiwan's version of the Super Cub, and the Classic 150 (coming soon to the USA) is an updated CB125 with a larger motor and '70's classic styling (hence the name) as well as many technological improvements over the original.  For example, in both the Symba and Classic 150 the motors have up-to-date CDI electronics and emissions controls, and the exhausts have catalytic converters.  SYM has also mastered the art of making high-quality plastic body parts that rival (if not exceed) those on Japanese-made scooters. 

SYM also assembles Hyundai cars for the Taiwan market under contract with Hyundai.

Here's a timeline:

1954: Sanyang Electrics was established to manufacture cycle lights. The factory was a leased rice mill with basic manufacturing equipment. At that time, there were only four employees.

1962: Sanyang formed a joint venture with Honda Motor Japan to manufacture 50cc, 150cc and 160cc motorcycles and became the first motorcycle manufacturing company in Taiwan.

1967: Entered a Technical Collaboration Agreement with Honda Motor Japan to produce automobiles.

1974: Honda Motor US invested heavily in Sanyang Motors (13% of total capital). Debut of legendary Wolf 125.

1976: Successfully developed "Steadite" alloy cylinder with a 50,000 kilometer quality guarantee. Began export of cylinder heads to Honda Motor Japan.

1981: Mr. Huang Shi-Hui succeeded as the chairman, and the Hsinchu plant began production of the Civic 1400cc five-door sedan.

1989: The company celebrated its 35th anniversary and motorcycle production reaches 3 million units.

1994: Motorcycle production reaches 5 million units.

1998: Achieved ISO 14001 environmental management system international certification.

2002: Sanyang began a technical joint venture with Hyundai Motor Korea to become its sole distributor in Taiwan. Ceramic coated 125cc cylinder and fuel injection engine models were launched (a revolution in motorcycle engine technology).

2003: All motorcycles under 125cc are now fitted with ceramic coated cylinders. In October, Sanyang Motorcycles southern district marketing centre was established. The industrial machinery plant passed QS9000 certification.

2004: Sanyang celebrated its 50th anniversary in Taipei. 50 million U.S. Dollars was invested in its Vietnam Research and Development Centre. Locally manufactured Hyundai Getz was launched.

2005: Sanyang company now employs over 2400 people and is the only company in Taiwan to manufacture motorcyles, scooters and cars.

Here's a Taiwan Hyundai ad for the "Getz", manufactured by SYM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Z4Vjpckrk
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 06:08:08 PM »

Sweet, thanks for all of the info. It makes a lot more sense now. It's sometimes confusing trying to figure out exactly where some bikes arrive from.

What's the word on the Classic 150? That's awesome news. Do you know if it'll be off-road-oriented like the CB125, or will it be strictly for the street?

Cheers to Sym bringing some small, classic, "standard" bikes to the US. It's been far too long. It seems like the only real motorcycle options have been uncomfortable sport bikes or not-too-practical, loud, chrome bikes with engines that are too large. There really has been nothing in between, except for the Nighthawk.

Anyway, this makes me happy. I still think the Symba/Super Cub is the coolest looking motorbike to be released since the early 80s.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 06:57:08 PM »

The CB125 was a pure street bike, so maybe you're thinking of the XL125 or something more off-road oriented along those lines.  The Wolf 150 will likewise be a pure street bike.  Google 'SYM Wolf 150' and you'll find a review a US rider (SYM dealer) wrote.  I can't remember if it was a pre-import Wolf to show to dealers or what, but as I understand it the one we get will be very similar. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 06:27:11 AM »

You may be thinking of the SL series, which were dirt bikes and included the SL125 (no 150 - I think it went from 125 to 175, and they even had a 350cc twin (SL350)).

AFAIK the "Classic 150" will be a lot like the CB series - with a cafe racer option and styling queues that recall the Triumph Boneville (pea-shooter exhaust, etc...).

They were also talking about a '40's styling (think of the military Royal Enfield), which I HOPE they have abandoned, because I think it would be a frost.

- Nate
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 02:30:48 PM »

You may be thinking of the SL series, which were dirt bikes and included the SL125 (no 150 - I think it went from 125 to 175, and they even had a 350cc twin (SL350)).

AFAIK the "Classic 150" will be a lot like the CB series - with a cafe racer option and styling queues that recall the Triumph Boneville (pea-shooter exhaust, etc...).

They were also talking about a '40's styling (think of the military Royal Enfield), which I HOPE they have abandoned, because I think it would be a frost.

- Nate

I'd rather have a bike styled after the Honda Dream series of bikes (from the 60's)...


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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2009, 04:16:12 PM »

Back in the 60's we use to call it the Honda Nightmare.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2009, 07:32:09 PM »

Back in the 60's we use to call it the Honda Nightmare.

I take it this has a story attached?     Grin


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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2010, 11:17:28 PM »

Don't worry about future SYMBA production.  San Yang has been building these things forever.  The only thing new is the yellow colour, the different headlight, the handlebar/speedo setup and the name "SYMBA".  Smartest thing you can do with one of these bikes is put the ribbed front tire in the dumpster where it belongs and put a different tread tire on.  Those ribs follow every irregularity in the road.
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