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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2017, 03:13:38 PM »
LisaRae, I just reread your first post about going through 4 batteries and that one had low battery fluid in it. If this happens to all of your batteries then I would suspect that the voltage regulator is faulty and possibly overcharging the battery. Overcharging an automotive battery will cause the liquid to boil and evaporate eventually killing the batter. ☠️

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2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
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2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
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2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2017, 07:43:06 PM »
I'm thinking that I will somehow disable this crappy invention and put a manual petcock somewhere in the fuel line.
I'm very curious to know your eventual solution.  I put a petcock in the fuel line but it's after the vacuum one.  I could still keep the petcock where I put it, but I'm uncertain how to disable that vacuum one.
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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2017, 11:05:10 PM »
HelloPitty, I removed the vacuum operated peckcock from to bottom of the fuel tank. I picked up 1/8" brass barb fitting that has a threaded end. We tapped a new thread inside the old petcock opening and simply screwed the barb fitting into this hole. From there, I installed a fuel line and a few inches from the fuel filter I installed an in line shutoff valve. The valve is roughly located at the side opening on the leg shroud. That way I can turn the fuel valve on or off.

I don't know how to post a picture on here but it would make it easier to understand what I did.
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2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
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2015 Haley Lowrider
2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
2011 Royal Enfield Classic 500
2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
2012 Harley Switchback converted to Trike
2006 Harley Streetglide
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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2017, 11:27:12 PM »
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« Last Edit: March 30, 2017, 06:27:32 AM by petemoss »
2015 Symba 100
2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
Some past rides.....
2015 Haley Lowrider
2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
2011 Royal Enfield Classic 500
2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
2012 Harley Switchback converted to Trike
2006 Harley Streetglide
2014 Suzuki DR650 and much more

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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2017, 06:10:12 AM »
Looks nice, petemoss!
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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2017, 08:14:36 AM »
Very nice solution!  The only part that seems like it's a bit beyond my wrenching skills is, "We tapped a new thread inside the old petcock opening"
Nice seat and rear rack combo you have on yours!  Those came stock?
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2017, 08:32:37 AM »
The seat and rack are aftermarket ones that I bought from the dealer. The seat is not very comfortable and it really forces your legs outwards when you put your feet down. I may need to reshape the foam.
The tapping ( or treading) threads into the fuel tank outlet hole is rather quite simple really. Just purchase a tap and die set from any tool or automotive supply store. If you don't have the exact size you can purchase the tap separately as well.
A tap and die set is an invaluable tool, in my opinion. If you strip a screw hole you can tap it the next size up and install a larger screw, repair damaged threads, fabric parts for the bike and so on.
Also you could take the fuel tank into a plumber or machine shop and ask them to thread the outlet for you.

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2015 Symba 100
2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
Some past rides.....
2015 Haley Lowrider
2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
2011 Royal Enfield Classic 500
2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
2012 Harley Switchback converted to Trike
2006 Harley Streetglide
2014 Suzuki DR650 and much more

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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2017, 09:00:42 AM »
Plumber or machine shop is probably the way I'd go.

Two things I'd be interested in knowing your opinion are:
1) Here's a quote from a former Symba owner:
"The biggest boost to hill-climbing ability was the change to a one tooth smaller front sprocket with no measurable decrease to top end speed.
If you have been on the fence about going to a smaller front sprocket, just do it!!!
This is the one I bought and I replaced the retainer bolts with socket head cap screws to ensure clearance for the chain: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010UQIF46/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1"
Curious if you ever come to this conclusion as well.

2) That same member had commented that he thought some fasteners weren't necessarily 8.8 strength and he was working on getting some fasteners replaced with ones from McMaster-Carr.
Curious if you end up doing this as well, and if so, which ones you would replace.
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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2017, 10:45:49 AM »
HelloPitty, I haven't changed the front sprocket as I just got the bike and it's not plated yet ( hope to have that taken care of tomorrow).
Changing the gear ratio of the sprocket will change the rpm and put the torque at a different spot on the rmp range.
You can either change the front or rear sprocket to achieve this. But you sacrifice top end speed by replacing the front with a smaller size. So it really depends on where you ride and your style of riding. If you are on back roads and trails and need more low end torque to get you rolling then I would look at changing the ratio.
I did this on my Vstrom 650 just to lower the RPM at highway speeds, and the bike has lots of low end torque so it hasn't affect the slow speed part of it.
As far as fasteners are concerned, honestly, I haven't thought about it. The bike is well engineered and I would think that most of the hardware would be sufficient under normal conditions. Now if your trail riding. like I intend to do, then that may change.
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2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
Some past rides.....
2015 Haley Lowrider
2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
2011 Royal Enfield Classic 500
2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
2012 Harley Switchback converted to Trike
2006 Harley Streetglide
2014 Suzuki DR650 and much more

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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2017, 07:31:28 AM »
Thank you for your thoughts petemoss.
I will keep the original sprocket as I haven't found a need to change it.
The fasteners will likely do well for my casual riding.
I only mentioned it as it was brought up at one time in this forum, so I was curious to know other opinions about it.
I'm looking forward to your impressions of the Symba once you get some seat time in.
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2008 Vespa GTS250 * 02/09 Honda Metropolitans

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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2017, 08:44:23 AM »
Thanks HelloPitty, I am looking forward to riding her as well. Unfortunately, I am still waiting for the proper documentation to arrive in the mail so that I can register and plate the bike. I took today off work to take care of it but if nothing shows up in the mail today then I will have to wait a few more weeks as I will be away.

Once it is plated and I have a chance to give her a good go, I can write a quick review of my impressions if you like.

Hope the weather is warm where you are and you are out riding.
Cheers, Petemoss
2015 Symba 100
2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
Some past rides.....
2015 Haley Lowrider
2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
2011 Royal Enfield Classic 500
2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
2012 Harley Switchback converted to Trike
2006 Harley Streetglide
2014 Suzuki DR650 and much more

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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2017, 06:57:23 PM »
Well the weather cooperated today but the mailman didn't. :-[ My documents did not arrive today, so I was not able to plate it. I did take her for a quick spin around the block though. She starts and runs nicely. Its going to take me a while to get get used to the way the shifter works. I've had heel-toe shifters on my Harley's and Royal Enfield, so I'm not new to the concept it's just seems that the throw is quite long so just rocking my foot doesn't seem to be quite enough to get it to shift up or down. Oh well.
The rear tire does seem to be loosing air somehow.  :( not sure if it's the air valve or I have a hole somewhere.
I decided to remove the chain guard bottom half to inspect the chain. All looks good as far as being oiled but looking closely at the chain and rubbing my fingers along the chain links, the chain looks to be of very poor quality, the edges are sharp, the pins that hold the links together look pretty cheap IMO, and the rear sprocket looks to be of the same quality. I have read a few members comments where they indicate that these chains wear out prematurely even when properly maintained and lubricated.
So this is something that I'll need to monitor. I think that a proper set of sprockets and an o'ring type chain would be on my purchase list.

Well again, unfortunately, I will busy and travelling for the next few weeks and won't have any time for the little Symba. So she is now parked in my own shed and under cover awaiting my return.
2015 Symba 100
2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
Some past rides.....
2015 Haley Lowrider
2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
2011 Royal Enfield Classic 500
2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
2012 Harley Switchback converted to Trike
2006 Harley Streetglide
2014 Suzuki DR650 and much more

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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2017, 10:25:00 AM »
I put almost 10K miles on my stock chain and didn't have any issues.  I put on a new o-ring chain (from Cam Purvis at Scooterseals) last fall, but I probably could have gotten a little more mileage out of it.  My riding is mostly stop and go on local streets so I'm not usually pushing the bike too hard.
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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2017, 11:07:26 AM »
Good to know Belto, you must be very diligent with your chain maintenance for it to last that long, I suppose that other factors such as the road conditions ( sandy, muddy, clean and dry, steep hills, etc) may make a large difference in longevity.
How are the sprockets holding up? Any wear showing on the teeth?
2015 Symba 100
2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
Some past rides.....
2015 Haley Lowrider
2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
2011 Royal Enfield Classic 500
2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
2012 Harley Switchback converted to Trike
2006 Harley Streetglide
2014 Suzuki DR650 and much more

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Re: New Symba 100 owner
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2017, 11:33:40 AM »
Hi Petemoss:
I also bought a Symba (2010 Model) and had it delivered to my house (in the cardboard box!). A couple of suggestions:
There are two philosophies about breaking in a new engine: 1) Baby it,  or 2) Run it like a Bat outta hell.  I chose the second method, but I am not telling you to do one or the other.  It's your choice.

But I would suggest you read this article/link: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm.
The idea is to make sure the engine gets hot enough to properly seat the new piston rings.

I changed the oil before I road the bike because mine had sitting for a long time, new, in the cardboard box.
I changed the oil after 20 miles - there was gunk in the oil when I drained it.
I changed the oil again after 100 miles.  Still a little more gunk.

I now use only premium, no ethanol gasoline and I always add either Sea Foam or B-12 Chemtool to each tank of gas.

The bike runs fine most of the time. But I believe cleaning the carb jets fairly often is a normal process on these little bikes.

Hope that helps.