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Re: Symba Battery
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2017, 07:39:48 AM »
No, neither the electric starter or the kicker will start it up now. The throttle is loose too. Just gotta find a spot to take it to now. Most places I've found so far are EXTREMELY over priced just talking to them over the phone here in Georgia. The cheapest I've found was a dealership that works on Symba's in South Carolina that would do an overall tune up of my bike; which would include cleaning and fixing the carbs, for $50. Starting price here in Georgia just for someone to CLEAN my carbs is $150-200 LOL! That's robbery and I'm not paying anyone that much to do something as minor as cleaning my carbs. Even though they're clean, I just feel I might have done something wrong when putting everything back together. If anyone knows of any good places in Georgia, let me know!
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2017, 09:15:11 AM »
Here's a video of the current state of my Symba.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_l-xfPo418&feature=youtu.be

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2017, 09:46:55 AM »
Thank you for posting the video.  My thoughts:
The throttle cable is likely loose due to how it was reassembled....I had a similar situation on another motorbike.  It has something to do with how it got screwed in at the very top of the carburetor..there is a spring in there that is maybe compressed and not allowing any snap-back.
The battery seems very low by the sound of the electric start.  Some of my motorbikes won't even kick start if the battery is too low.  Can you put the battery on a charger for a few days?
Is there a motorbike group in your area?  A website called Meetups (I think that's what it is called), has groups that meet for specific hobbies and such.  If you can reach out to members who ride, maybe someone can help you.
This is something someone with lots of carb experience can fix in less than an hour I would think.

Hopefully others will chime in.
Don't be mad at yourself, you were trying to fix it, and in my opinion you haven't harmed it in anyway...it's just a matter of getting it back just right and charging the battery.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2017, 10:09:09 AM »
I think it has something to do with how this part was reassembled (middle of the photo)... I'm going to keep looking online to see if I can find exploded photos of how it assembles.
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2017, 10:13:53 AM »
I got these photos from the service manual:


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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2017, 11:57:28 AM »
Thanks for the pics and advice! I'll be going out and taking another look at how the throttle was reconnected on there to see if that works. As far as the battery, the battery I have in was just put in 2 months ago brand new, so I don't think it's that. I could try charging it though.

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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2017, 03:23:21 PM »
Well, I at least was able to fix the throttle, but the bike still want start up. Still does the click click crank. I did re-install the throttle the wrong way though, but now it snaps back like it's suppose to!

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2017, 03:55:34 PM »
1/2 way there!  If you can charge your battery, it might be the ticket to getting it started.
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2017, 07:06:24 PM »
I still don't feel it's the battery, but we'll see! Thanks for all the assistance too! :D

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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2017, 07:02:37 AM »
New batteries are sometimes defective. I would pick up an inexpensive multimeter and check to voltage across the battery posts. If the battery is fully charged, you should be getting around 12.8 volts DC.
If you are below 12 vdc then try a battery charger on it to bring to voltage back up. Also verify the battery acid level in each cell.
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2017, 08:22:58 AM »
I have a Honda CT110, that I can try to kickstart 10-20 times and nothing. 
I charge the battery and it will kickstart faithfully by the third try....this is why I suspect your battery may be low.
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2017, 08:55:53 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2017, 09:31:54 AM »
A couple of comments:  1) When I turn my key on, the speedometer lights do not flicker like yours in the video.  When your speedometer lights flicker like yours, that is an indication (on the Symba) that the battery needs to be charged.  Your engine is not turning over fast enough to start, and like others have said, when the battery is that weak, even using the kick starter it will probably not start.  2)  Once you get a good battery again, and before you try starting it again, remove your spark plug and make sure it isn't dirty, wet or fouled out.  Maybe just replace it while you've got it out.
For future reference, after you get it running again, and next time it starts running crappy again, realize that it is rarely necessary to remove, disassemble and clean the entire carburetor.  However, it is in fact often necessary to remove the two carburetor jets for cleaning, which can be done on the bike, without removing the entire carburetor.   About once a year, especially after it has sat for the winter, I will usually remove the two jets and clean and replace.  I like to use carburetor cleaner and a guitar string (wire) of an appropriate size to clean the tiny holes in the jets.  But do this very carefully as you do not want to change or damage those tiny little holes in any way.

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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2017, 03:57:03 PM »
@mbkd5- Actually, the lights weren't really blinking at all, it's just how it shows on my camera for some reason when I record. Think it has something to with the frames per second. I've been "charging" my battery all day and just checked the status and it still says "charged"??? As soon as I connected the charger to the battery early this A.M. the instructions on the charger read if the battery says "charged" as soon as you hook it up and not "Charging" then the battery either needs to be checked or replaced. I thought this might have been wrong, because again I literally just bought this battery back in February. In fact, it was a battery that was recommended off of this forum I'm commenting on right now to buy lol. However, now that I go to the link of the battery that was in this forum, it no longer shows the same battery.... Either way, now I see that the battery could in fact be dead and I just bought it and never actually got to use it. It did however crank up on the first try when I first bought it of course. Maybe sitting idle due to the carbs caused it to go dead then, if it is in fact a dead battery. How would you clean the carb jets from your bike, without actually removing your carburetor though?
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Re: Symba Battery
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2017, 04:31:07 PM »
To clean the jets without removing the carburetor, remove the float bowl cover to gain access to the jets.
As far as your battery goes, I would still strongly recommend that you buy yourself a multimeter. This would take away any guess work from troubleshooting. They are rather inexpensive and an invaluable tool for trouble shooting any electrical problems.
If you're not too sure on how to use one, just do a quick search on Google or YouTube and there will be tons of information on how to use them.
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2015 Suzuki 650 V-Strom
Some past rides.....
2015 Haley Lowrider
2007 Moto Guzzi California Vintage
2008 Moto Guzzi Norge
2011 Royal Enfield Classic 500
2012 Suzuki DL1000 V-Stom
2012 Harley Switchback converted to Trike
2006 Harley Streetglide
2014 Suzuki DR650 and much more