Author Topic: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)  (Read 1889 times)

bbyrd

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« on: September 02, 2015, 05:31:28 PM »
Hi all,
I have a 2009 CityCom, and based on comments here and elsewhere, I recently bought a RAM mount for my phone (the type that mounts under the mirror stem: http://www.rammount.com/part/RAM-B-272U). However, when I popped the cover off of the bolt-hole for the mirror stem (looks like the bolt/nut is a 10mm) my 10 mm socket won't fit down into the hole (which is only about 13mm diameter)--my 9mm socket fits in the hole but is (obviously) too small for the bolt.

I believe KiwiScoot (of scootdawg fame) had a similar issue, but other folks seem to have had no worries (maybe they have the new model with different mirrors).

Apparently there are such things as "thin wall" sockets, but the only 10mm ones I've found still have ~15m OD.

Anyone have ideas/suggestions about how to get my mirror off (and back on). Note that I'd also like to just tighten these bolts up, as my mirrors fold back under heavy gusts (like passing a big truck at highway speeds).

Thanks,
Ben.
2002 - 2003: Honda VFR400RR
2003 - 2006: BMW F650 "Funduro"
2006 - 2007: Honda VTR250
2014 - 2015: Yamaha C3
2015 -        : Sym CityCom 300i

shoupdawg

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 212
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2015, 08:59:47 PM »
Ben I had an '09, but have a 2013 now.  I used that mount that you have.  For the 2009, you may want to try a mount that is u-bracket shaped and mounts around the stem of the mirror stalk.  I have used that one 2 bikes and it's currently my set up with my Vespa.

Another option is to mount atop the brake fluid reservoir.  I have that on my Tmax.  One on each actually because I have 12v sockets on each side.

Good luck!  I have ram mounts and 12v sockets on all my scoots including my motorcycle!

sc00ter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 221
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2015, 09:44:42 PM »
My 09 CityCom mirrors kept folding in no matter what I did to tighten them, so I just put small radiator clamps on the split sections to resolve the problem. Then, I decided to drop my City on a house and wound up getting a set (right and left) of mirrors from Cam Seals. Normal, one piece, good quality and affordable (via Taiwan) mirrors. Note that both mirrors are normal right hand thread on both sides.

bbyrd

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2015, 09:00:56 AM »
Hi shoupdawg,
Mounting on the reservoir could work--though it looks like those are countersunk screw heads (I'll have to check).
Thanks,
Ben.
2002 - 2003: Honda VFR400RR
2003 - 2006: BMW F650 "Funduro"
2006 - 2007: Honda VTR250
2014 - 2015: Yamaha C3
2015 -        : Sym CityCom 300i

bbyrd

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2015, 09:05:17 AM »
Hi Sc00ter,
Good to know--I seem to recall reading somewhere that it may be because some arrester pin (or something) is broken/corroded, but figured it was worth a try (or at least a look to see what's under there). However, I can't even get mine off (let alone tightened) right now. What did you use when you attempted to tighten them? Were you able to find a thin enough socket, or some other approach?

Thanks,
Ben.
2002 - 2003: Honda VFR400RR
2003 - 2006: BMW F650 "Funduro"
2006 - 2007: Honda VTR250
2014 - 2015: Yamaha C3
2015 -        : Sym CityCom 300i

sc00ter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 221
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 10:14:33 AM »
Corrosion did mine in. I tried everything within reason (thin wall socket, epoxy sealant) to salvage the stock mirrors before using the ugly clamps (that did work perfect), but the Camseal mirrors are so much better and simpler in design. I got two each just in case a house decides to take another one out!

bbyrd

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 03:10:15 PM »
Thanks sc00ter--are these the ones you got: http://scooterseals.com/General_Accessories.html ?

If anyone has any other ideas about how to undo the bolts (mine are't corroded like sc00ter's), I welcome all suggestions!

Thanks,
Ben.
2002 - 2003: Honda VFR400RR
2003 - 2006: BMW F650 "Funduro"
2006 - 2007: Honda VTR250
2014 - 2015: Yamaha C3
2015 -        : Sym CityCom 300i

sc00ter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 221
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2015, 09:10:18 PM »
Yup, thats them. What bolts are you trying to remove? If its the ones inside the mirror stalk (look like 6-10mm) I took a socket into work and turned it down on the lathe. I dont remember the exact size anymore (cant find the socket either), but once the mirror starts moving in, the notches that "locks" it into place is already trashed. If you are just trying to remove the mirrors from the scooter its lefty loosy-righty tighty. I hate spending money on the City, its a work horse to me, and I really dont care what it looks like-so I tried darn hard to salvege the OEM mirrors. Now, that being said, I dont skimp on safety/reliability, thats why I just bought new mirrors.

bbyrd

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2015, 03:06:34 PM »
I ended up doing a similar thing to sc00ter--after trying to buy a smaller OD 10mm socket (which, at 14.1mm OD was actually larger than the 13.4mm OD of the 10mm in my cheapo tool set), I took the angle grinder to my cheapo 10mm, to get it small enough to fit (~13.1mm OD--just for reference). The RAM mount is on, and I've tightened up both mirrors--they feel better than before, so I'll hold out on new mirrors for now (though $9 each is VERY reasonable--it's more the inconvenience factor of getting them up to Canada).

And yes, Sc00ter--it was the ones inside the mirror stalk--they are 10mm.

Thanks all!
2002 - 2003: Honda VFR400RR
2003 - 2006: BMW F650 "Funduro"
2006 - 2007: Honda VTR250
2014 - 2015: Yamaha C3
2015 -        : Sym CityCom 300i

shoupdawg

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 212
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2015, 12:57:19 AM »
Did you add blue loctite?  The vespa mirrors have a habit of working loose if you don't loctite them in place.

LAVOYERMNSTPAUL

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2017, 09:02:34 PM »
 I bought a 10 mm socket and filed down on the out side till it fit in the well. It works great.  One way to tighten the mirror to be firm but not to tight is to use  a star lock washer that fits in well.  You do not want the mirror to be fiddle tight that it breaks if bumped.  You want it to move or give.  I took the Mirror mount all the way off and put the star washers between the  hard ware.  the mirror stems and the base the stems go into are two different sizes.  The base  and the nut  with the threads are attached together( it is actual a bolt pressed into the base)  Use  the big nut under the base  and when loose turn the whole base  after the mirror is removed.  Look for replacement  on       MOTORCYCLE BIKE MIRROR MOUNT EXTENDERS.https://www.luckybike.com/motorcycle-mirror-riser-extenders
« Last Edit: November 27, 2017, 11:07:27 AM by LAVOYERMNSTPAUL »

citycom1

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8
    • View Profile
Re: Removing a mirror (to mount a RAM mount)
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2017, 12:45:23 PM »
 Frustrated by those sunken 10 mm bolts also. My solution on the 2009 was to take a hacksaw and in a couple of minutes of careful cutting I exposed just the nut enabling the use of a regular 10 mm socket.   If you go a little deep you'll see the spring that allows the mirrors to be adjustable.   Just tighten the 10mm nut to the tension you require to keep the mirrors from moving.   Or in your case unscrew it completely.
 I used a little black touch up paint and I'm happy with the look and delighted with the functionality of the mirrors staying adjusted.
Making your own thin wall 10mm is the most elegant solution.
The mirrors on my 2016 are starting to loosen at 3000+ miles and I will probably just use my new hacksaw skills again.  Unless someone starts selling that ultra thin wall 10mm.  Good luck with your new mount.
By the way, pretty sure  the hacksaw method  required removing the windshield.  And, I initially tried a corded Dremel.  Too slow, wrong bit?, no skill?  The metal bladed hacksaw worked for me.